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		<title>By: Wesley</title>
		<link>http://www.speechlessness.com/2007/04/15/612/comment-page-1/#comment-3778</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>一豆，

你提了好幾個非常龐大的問題，我暫時也沒法好好整理自己的想法，暫且抄一段書，嘗試點出一個前提：

Martin Ince: In your internet book you describe the pleasure with which you noticed a newspaper headline &quot;New use of the Internet in Colombia.&quot; You naturally hoped that new technology might provide hope for his beleaguered country, for which you care greatly. On reading the article, you were disappointed to find that the &quot;new use&quot; it had in mind was the use of email to deliver ransom demands.

What do we learn from this? Does it show that new technology tends to to be taken up by existing organizations (it this case unpleasant ones), rather than allowing the creation of new ones?

Manuel Castells: No, what it shows is that society, as it as, appropriates technology for its own uses and values...

-- Manuel Castells and Martin Ince, &lt;em&gt;Conversations with Manuel Castells&lt;/em&gt;

由這個前提出發的話，概念上的平民不平民，專家不專家，都不是問題的核心。問題更像是：在我們的文化脈絡和價值觀之中，平民是怎樣一回事，專家又扮演什麼功能和政治角色，兩者與科技應用和知識生產有何關係？

或許，這個前提有點像你說的「回到起點」，但我覺得你那個「起點」已經是整條知識產線的中途站，可能需要追溯回更原始的起點。這幾天沒法好好思考，有機會再談。

P.S. 剛過去那個星期天的版面好像給暫時抽起了。如無意外，下星期應該復刊。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>一豆，</p>
<p>你提了好幾個非常龐大的問題，我暫時也沒法好好整理自己的想法，暫且抄一段書，嘗試點出一個前提：</p>
<p>Martin Ince: In your internet book you describe the pleasure with which you noticed a newspaper headline &#8220;New use of the Internet in Colombia.&#8221; You naturally hoped that new technology might provide hope for his beleaguered country, for which you care greatly. On reading the article, you were disappointed to find that the &#8220;new use&#8221; it had in mind was the use of email to deliver ransom demands.</p>
<p>What do we learn from this? Does it show that new technology tends to to be taken up by existing organizations (it this case unpleasant ones), rather than allowing the creation of new ones?</p>
<p>Manuel Castells: No, what it shows is that society, as it as, appropriates technology for its own uses and values&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211; Manuel Castells and Martin Ince, <em>Conversations with Manuel Castells</em></p>
<p>由這個前提出發的話，概念上的平民不平民，專家不專家，都不是問題的核心。問題更像是：在我們的文化脈絡和價值觀之中，平民是怎樣一回事，專家又扮演什麼功能和政治角色，兩者與科技應用和知識生產有何關係？</p>
<p>或許，這個前提有點像你說的「回到起點」，但我覺得你那個「起點」已經是整條知識產線的中途站，可能需要追溯回更原始的起點。這幾天沒法好好思考，有機會再談。</p>
<p>P.S. 剛過去那個星期天的版面好像給暫時抽起了。如無意外，下星期應該復刊。</p>
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		<title>By: 熊一豆</title>
		<link>http://www.speechlessness.com/2007/04/15/612/comment-page-1/#comment-3749</link>
		<dc:creator>熊一豆</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>其實關於這個問題，自己是覺得好像不知該用什麼框架繼續想下去，我也有點懷疑那個由他們建構的&quot;平民對專家&quot;的命題是否真的貼切，因為背後的投入者，不必然互相排斥。或許回到起點，是如何對待知識的態度，方便使用如挑選超市貨架上的商品，還是一種探索的態度。

另一個問題是，我對網絡以外的知識生產和接收，很無知。

咦，怎麼今天專欄不見了，暫停一次嗎？</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>其實關於這個問題，自己是覺得好像不知該用什麼框架繼續想下去，我也有點懷疑那個由他們建構的&#8221;平民對專家&#8221;的命題是否真的貼切，因為背後的投入者，不必然互相排斥。或許回到起點，是如何對待知識的態度，方便使用如挑選超市貨架上的商品，還是一種探索的態度。</p>
<p>另一個問題是，我對網絡以外的知識生產和接收，很無知。</p>
<p>咦，怎麼今天專欄不見了，暫停一次嗎？</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley</title>
		<link>http://www.speechlessness.com/2007/04/15/612/comment-page-1/#comment-3659</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>思考，

我用上「拉鋸戰」及「折騰」並不是形容 Wikipedia 上的合作模式，而是 Wikipedia 和 Citizendium 之間的角力和比拚。因報刊的篇幅所限，文章只好趕急結尾，有點詞不達意，不好意思。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>思考，</p>
<p>我用上「拉鋸戰」及「折騰」並不是形容 Wikipedia 上的合作模式，而是 Wikipedia 和 Citizendium 之間的角力和比拚。因報刊的篇幅所限，文章只好趕急結尾，有點詞不達意，不好意思。</p>
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		<title>By: 思考</title>
		<link>http://www.speechlessness.com/2007/04/15/612/comment-page-1/#comment-3658</link>
		<dc:creator>思考</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia 的 web collaboration 是由專家及平民來不斷調整其內容，將之形容為「拉鋸戰」及「折騰」是否合適呢？</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia 的 web collaboration 是由專家及平民來不斷調整其內容，將之形容為「拉鋸戰」及「折騰」是否合適呢？</p>
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